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"The most valuable feature is the ability to share the logic within the rules engine with the business, so you can put it up for everybody to read.""When I compare it with other BPM tools, like IBM, it is great, open source, and free when you use the community version.""The solution is easily compatible with HTML forms and HTML language programming and that is the most significant part.""The speed and execution of DMN was a big selling point for us. It's very good at conducting business processes that are easily modeled and presented in a way that's easy to understand.""It allows me to present or to demonstrate the business process flow, visually, without having to resort to PowerPoint, Visio, or other products.""It has an open BPM""The interface and the number of connectors that they provide are the most valuable features. The support here, it's kind of okay. But the main thing is with the number of connectors and the UI, the user interface.""Being able to use a Java-based solution makes the product flexible."

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"The ability to sort via multiple criteria to identify the relationships you need for a specific object.""ARIS is probably the most mature product in terms of modeling an enterprise architecture so that it has context.""The initial setup and installation are very straightforward.""The ease of use is the most valuable. I have tried a number of BPMN packages, and I find the user interface of ARIS BPM easier and more intuitive than others. If your team is knowledgeable on BPMN, it is really pretty easy to figure out on your own because it adheres to the standards extremely well. I have tried Bizagi, BizFlow, and a variety of such solutions, and I just liked ARIS BPM better.""The most valuable feature in the latest versions is the connect portal, where you can do very simple modeling using the web-based portal.""It provides the discovery functionality, and you can have a simulation on top of it to get your design corrected to ensure that it is within the right state of parameters. It is a complete package that you can use from strategy to execution because you have the design layer, and within the design, you can also do analytics.""The EPC modeling is very detailed, the semantic check is helpful, and auto-layout simplifies the formatting.""The most valuable feature is the process documentation. For us, ARIS is a lifestyle more than a tool. It helps us learn how to think and how to plan for our system."

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"The most valuable feature is the physical or visual representation of the database, showing the tables, the columns, the foreign keys, and the ability to generate DDL, so you can physically implement databases.""When you're getting down to the database level, where you're building a design and you're creating DDL out of it, or you're going in the other direction where you're reaching into system catalogs and bringing things back, that starts to really require specialization. Visio isn't going to reverse-engineer that for you. Those features in erwin are valuable.""erwin has versioning so you can keep versions, over time, of those models and you can compare any version to any version. If you're looking at a specific database and you want to see what changed over time, that's really useful. You can go back to a different version or connect that to your change-control processes so you can see what was released when.""The solution’s code generation ensures accurate engineering of data sources, as there is no development time. Code doesn't even have to be reviewed. We have been using this solution for so long and all the code which has been generated is accurate with the requirements. Once we generate the DDLs out of the erwin tools, the development team does a quick review of the script line by line. They will just be running the script on the database and looking into other requirements, such as the index. So, there is less effort from development side to create tables or build a database.""It's important to create standard templates — Erwin is good at that — and you can customize them. You can create a standard template so that your models have the same look and feel. And then, anyone using the tool is using the same font and the same general layout. erwin's very good at helping enforce that.""Another feature of erwin is that it can help you enforce your naming standards. It has little modules that you can set up and, as you're building the data model, it's ensuring that they conform to the naming standards that you've developed.""The most valuable features are being able to visualize the data in the diagrams and transform those diagrams into physical database deployments. These features help, specifically, to integrate the data. When the source data is accumulated and modeled, the target model is in erwin and it helps resolve the data integration patterns that are required to map the data to accommodate a model.""We use the Forward and Reverse Engineering tools to help us speed things up and create things that would have to be done otherwise by hand. E.g., getting a database into a data model format or vice versa."

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Cons
"I would like to see the forms engine available in the open-source version of this solution.""I would like to have a feature for audit logging, audit logs and audit log management. And some history of use for the audit logs.""I would also like a very easy to use form builder.""Especially when you use the open-source version, there are issues with performance.""If there were some industry templates it would have helped significantly, because it is similar to a process map for a domain. That is what we are currently creating, a domain-relevant process map.""Lacking in forms visualization.""The support definitely can be improved. Apart from that, the language should be extendable to other platforms. If I want to write, I'll run a different platform, like Python code on top of it, or COBOL code on top of it, and it should support those languages.""The solution could use some enhancements like adding connectors, improving forms and having a mobile app, but everything is an enhancement rather than a flaw."

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"The governance mechanism could be better, as could automation.""The interface is a little archaic.""The workflow approval process could be represented better in the overviews.""I use it strictly for developing the business process model. I don't use it for the actual automation. I do that with Vtenext. I have standardized on Vtenext, and I don't use ARIS BPM anymore. The Vtenext UI is just as good, and it is much more tightly coupled to the underlying object model. I can get more done in one session with Vtenext rather than first going to ARIS BPM, then importing, and having to edit it for tight coupling.""If you want to create new reports then you have to use JavaScript, or ARIS script as they call it, which is beyond the competencies of most people.""Its governance tool and integration with ESB and execution engine can be improved. Their partner support can also be improved.""The model graphics can be exported in PDF, but the model is too small to read.""There is a lot of room for improvement. They need to increase the performance of the system flow. They need to support it more. ARIS Process Governance is still quite basic, and they are using an old BPM and process automation module."

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"I would like to see more support for working with the big-data world. There are so many new databases evolving and it's very hard for them to keep up with all of the new technologies. It would be good if they were able to dynamically support big-data platforms, other than Hive and Teradata.""One of the things I've been talking to the erwin team about through the years is that every data model should have the ability to be multi-language... When I was working at Honda, it became very difficult to work with the Japanese teams using just one model. You can have two models, one in English and one in Japanese, but that means you have to keep the updates back and forth, and that always increases the risk of something not being updated.""Some Source official systems give us DDLs to work with and they have contents not required to be part of the DDL before we reverse engineer in the erwin DM. Therefore, we manually make changes to those scripts and edit them, then reverse-engineer within the tool. So, it does take some time to edit these DDL scripts generated by the source operational systems. What I would suggest: It would be helpful if there were a place within the erwin tool to import the file and automatically eliminate all the unnecessary lines of code, and just have the clean code built-in to generate the table/data model.""I would like to see improved reporting and, potentially, dashboards built on top of that. Right now, it's a little manual. More automated reporting and dashboard views would help because currently you have to push things out to a spreadsheet, or to HTML, and there aren't many other options that I know of. I would like to be able to produce graphs and additional things right in the tool, instead of having to export the data somewhere else.""The modeling product itself is far and above anything else that I've seen on the market. There are certain inconsistencies when it comes to keeping up with other platforms' databases in the reverse-engineering process. It should also support more database platforms.""Complete Compare is set up only to compare properties that are of interest to us, but some of the differences cannot be brought over from one version of the model to another. This is despite the fact that we are clicking to bring objects from one place to another. Therefore, it's hard to tell at times if Complete Compare is working as intended without having to manually go into the details and check everything. If it could be redesigned to a degree where it is easier to use when we bring things over from one site to another and be sure that it's been done correctly, that would be nice to have. We would probably use the tool more often if the Complete Compare were easier to use.""I find the UI very clunky and very difficult to use. If I add columns to a table the whole workflow could be so much easier. I get frustrated using it. I've tried other tools. I've tried to get off of erwin a few times. I always come back to it because every tool has its own set of problems, and it seems like if I have to pick my poison, I stay with erwin. But so many things that are clunky with it.""I love the product. I love the ability to get into the code, make it automated, and make it do what I want. I would like to see them put some kind of governance over the ability to make changes to the mart tables with the API, so that instead of just using the modeler's rights to a table -- it has a separate set of rights for API access. That would give us the ability to put governance around API applications. Right now a person with erwin and Excel/VBA has the ability to make changes to models with the API if they also have rights to make changes to the model from erwin. It's a risk."

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Pricing and Cost Advice
"We are using the open-source version of this solution.""Camunda is much cheaper.""I use the open-source free version.""The open-source version of the product is free to use.""The cost of this solution is better than some competing products.""Licensing costs are anywhere from $80,000 to $100,000 USD per year.""We use the open-source version, which can be used at no cost.""I think Camunda BPM can improve their licensing costs. It isn't easy to find clients with Camunda BPM licenses mainly because it's quite expensive."

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"This is absolutely not the cheapest solution in the market, but for large companies, the price is fine.""It depends on different parameters.""The setup cost and pricing depend on the license (Modeler, Viewer, Administrator).""The price could be better.""The price of the solution is reasonable."

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"The primary reasons that erwin was selected were that it was much more affordable for us [than Embarcadero] and it was easily maintainable.""This company had bought the license for three years, and it's not an individual license. While you can buy a license for each individual, that would be very expensive. There is something called concurrent licenses where you can purchase licenses in bulk and 15 to 20 people can access the license and model. Concurrent licenses are scalable to the number of users and are proportional to the cost.""An issue right now would be that erwin doesn't have a freely available browser (that I am aware of) for people who are not data modelers or data engineers that a consumer could use to look at the data models and play with it. This would not be to make any changes, but just to visually look at what exists. There are other products out there which do have end user browsers available and allow them to access data models via the data modeling tool.""The price should be lower in order to be on the same level as its competitors.""I wish it wasn't so expensive. I would love to personally buy a copy of my own and have it at home, because the next job that I'm looking at is probably project management and I might not have access to the tool. I would like to keep my ability to use the tool. Therefore, they should probably have a pricing for people like me who want to just use the solution as an independent consultant, trying to get started. $3,000 is a big hit.""There are no costs in addition to the standard licensing fees."

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Questions from the Community
Top Answer: The Camunda BPMN Platform is very flexible and gives several options to deploy and scale it.
Top Answer: There is an open-source version available, that in its core features (workflow and decision engine, modeler) is exactly… more »
Top Answer: In the future, I would definitely like to see the process administration (migration, audit, tracking) and process… more »
Top Answer: It provides the discovery functionality, and you can have a simulation on top of it to get your design corrected to… more »
Top Answer: Its governance tool and integration with ESB and execution engine can be improved. Their partner support can also be… more »
Top Answer: The logical model gives developers, as well as the data modelers, an understanding of exactly how each object interacts… more »
Top Answer: We always had a problem keeping track of all the licenses. All of a sudden you might get a message that your license… more »
Top Answer: We are planning to move, in 2021, into their server version, where multiple data modelers can work at the same time and… more »
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Camunda BPM
ARIS, ARIS BPM
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Overview

Camunda Platform is a complete process automation tech stack with powerful execution engines for BPMN workflows and DMN decisions paired with essential applications for modeling, operations, and analytics.

With a clear vision to automate any process, anywhere, Camunda is reinventing process automation for the digital enterprise. Featuring a developer-friendly, open source approach, enterprises can use Camunda Platform to breakthrough technological, organizational, and infrastructure barriers, optimize their business processes, and drive their digital transformation initiatives forward.

Software AG's ARIS Business Process Analysis Platform is ideal for organizations that want to document, analyze, standardize and improve their processes. Design, document, analyze, optimize and communicate processes to achieve business process excellence by using the ARIS Business Process Analysis Platform. With more efficient processes across business, IT and SAP systems, your Digital Enterprise can respond to changing business and market requirements more quickly.

erwin pioneered data modeling, and erwin Data Modeler (erwin DM) remains trusted, award-winning software for data modeling and database design, automating complex and time-consuming tasks. Use it to discover and document any data from anywhere for consistency, clarity and artifact reuse across large-scale data integration, master data management, metadata management, Big Data, business intelligence and analytics initiatives – all while supporting data governance and intelligence efforts.

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Sample Customers
24 Hour Fitness, Accruent, Allianz Indonesia, AT&T Inc., Atlassian, CSS Insurance, Deutsche Telekom, Generali, Provinzial NordWest Insurance Services, Swisscom AG, U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, VHV Group, Zalando
Fujitsu, Coca Cola, ING, Credit Suisse, Electrolux
 Premera, America Honda Motors, Aetna, Kaiser Permanente, Dental Dental Cali, Cigna, Staples
Top Industries
REVIEWERS
Computer Software Company24%
Financial Services Firm24%
Comms Service Provider18%
Government12%
VISITORS READING REVIEWS
Computer Software Company25%
Comms Service Provider19%
Financial Services Firm13%
Government7%
REVIEWERS
Financial Services Firm38%
Retailer13%
Manufacturing Company6%
Engineering Company6%
VISITORS READING REVIEWS
Computer Software Company27%
Comms Service Provider21%
Government8%
Financial Services Firm8%
REVIEWERS
Insurance Company29%
Financial Services Firm24%
Government18%
Logistics Company12%
VISITORS READING REVIEWS
Computer Software Company23%
Financial Services Firm21%
Comms Service Provider10%
Government8%
Company Size
REVIEWERS
Small Business56%
Midsize Enterprise18%
Large Enterprise26%
VISITORS READING REVIEWS
Small Business15%
Midsize Enterprise28%
Large Enterprise57%
REVIEWERS
Small Business45%
Midsize Enterprise4%
Large Enterprise51%
VISITORS READING REVIEWS
Small Business6%
Midsize Enterprise11%
Large Enterprise83%
REVIEWERS
Small Business29%
Midsize Enterprise4%
Large Enterprise67%
VISITORS READING REVIEWS
Small Business2%
Midsize Enterprise1%
Large Enterprise96%
Find out what your peers are saying about ARIS BPA vs. erwin Data Modeler (DM) and other solutions. Updated: July 2021.
522,693 professionals have used our research since 2012.

ARIS BPA is ranked 7th in Business Process Design with 9 reviews while erwin Data Modeler (DM) is ranked 6th in Business Process Design with 19 reviews. ARIS BPA is rated 7.8, while erwin Data Modeler (DM) is rated 8.8. The top reviewer of ARIS BPA writes "Holistic views of process modeling show interrelated effects between new and old processes". On the other hand, the top reviewer of erwin Data Modeler (DM) writes "Allows us to bring in data from dozens of platforms and search holistically across all of them". ARIS BPA is most compared with Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect, Signavio Process Manager, Visio, MEGA HOPEX and Visual Paradigm, whereas erwin Data Modeler (DM) is most compared with SAP PowerDesigner, Visio, Lucidchart, AWS Well-Architected Tool and erwin Evolve. See our ARIS BPA vs. erwin Data Modeler (DM) report.

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