MOORTHY ESAKKY - PeerSpot reviewer
SAP Practice Head (S4 HANA,Group Reporting & BRIM practices)FPSL/PaPM at ERP Logic
Real User
Top 5
Allows us to easily access data from a single terminal, and the performance is good
Pros and Cons
  • "S/4HANA falls under a single terminal. We can easily access the data, and the performance is good."
  • "The scalability could be better."

What is our primary use case?

I work for a consulting company. Globally, we have clients in oil and gas, construction, and other industries.

We have about 26 people using this solution.

What is most valuable?

S/4HANA falls under a single terminal. We can easily access the data, and the performance is good.

What needs improvement?

The scalability could be better.

For how long have I used the solution?

I have used SAP S/4HANA for five years.

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What do I think about the stability of the solution?

It's stable.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

I would rate the scalability as six out of ten.

How was the initial setup?

Setup is easy. It takes at least six months to deploy.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

We pay for an annual license. The pricing will depend on the client's needs.

What other advice do I have?

I would rate this solution as seven out of ten.

Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer: Partner
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Sergio Ortiz Vega - PeerSpot reviewer
IT systems consultant at a tech services company with 501-1,000 employees
Real User
Top 10
Is a stable solution
Pros and Cons
  • "At present, it seems very stable because it is in the cloud."
  • "The migration to SAP S/4HANA is hard."

What is our primary use case?

This solution is installed in the customer's system, and we perform SAP Basis administration. 

What needs improvement?

The migration to SAP S/4HANA is hard.

For how long have I used the solution?

We've been using it for one year. It is deployed on-premises and in the cloud.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

At present, it seems very stable because it is in the cloud.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

The scalability depends on the tier you have. You may need to pay more as you scale up.

I have 10 administrators and 7 customers using S/4HANA at present. Our objective is to scale, but it's difficult because customers are scared to migrate to S/4HANA.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We used R/3 before S/4HANA. We switched to S/4HANA in order to stay with SAP solutions.

How was the initial setup?

The initial deployment is difficult, and migration is hard when big data is involved. For a medium company, the initial deployment can take six to seven months, or maybe even one year to get it done perfectly.

For maintenance, you would need two or three people for a medium company.

What about the implementation team?

Depending on the client, we have deployed it ourselves or have done so with the help of an integrator.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

It is an expensive solution. On a scale from one to five, with five being the most expensive, I would rate the price at four.

What other advice do I have?

I would rate SAP S/4HANA at eight on a scale from one to ten.

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System & Network Engineer at a tech services company with 1-10 employees
Real User
Top 10
Good for vertical customizations but too costly and complex for other use cases
Pros and Cons
  • "The finance solution and procurement functionalities are good."
  • "Items that impact the TCO should be improved because the solution is very complex to integrate and keep running."

What is our primary use case?

Our company implements the solution for customers in the chemical and pharmaceutical industries. We manage transformational projects that include selection, upgrade, or replacement of systems that require ERP solutions. 

Our biggest implementation was for a chemical company's software hub that was custom-built on an AS/400 mainframe and they wanted to move to an ERP system.  After a six-month package selection process, we chose the solution combined with extensions provided by an implementation partner that added specific functionality and narrowed down customizations. 

Across all of our projects, there are 5,000 users of the solution. 

What is most valuable?

The finance solution and procurement functionalities are good. 

What needs improvement?

Items that impact the TCO should be improved because the solution is very complex to integrate and keep running. 

Integration with a portal or front end is needed. For example, the online collaboration part of SAP with vendors lacks functionality. Integrating with sales or service processes with a CRM or cloud for customers uses three different SAP systems. Customers typically choose Salesforce instead because the SAP system is not good.

There is a very large learning curve for different domains from an end user perspective. Some things are easy to understand and other things are complex. Users receive cryptic error messages when they do things that they do not fully understand. 

For how long have I used the solution?

I have been using the solution for seven years. 

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

The solution is stable with no complaints from customers. 

On occasion, users get cryptic error messages that they cannot resolve themselves. Someone else has to assist which results in downtime from the IT side and that has a negative impact on business performance. 

How are customer service and support?

Implementation partners handle issues with support staff and response times are very high. Support staff know the product in most cases and are good. 

It might take time for implementation partners to be notified of issues and then reach out to support for assistance. This support chain is expensive because the customer is invoiced based on the number of total support hours needed.

I rate technical support an eight out of ten. 

How would you rate customer service and support?

Positive

How was the initial setup?

The initial setup requires advanced knowledge and can take two to three days. In some cases, setup can take several days before demo mode is available.  

What about the implementation team?

Implementation partners handle setups and our company handles project management and quality assurance from the customer's perspective. 

Customers do not manage the complex environment on their own but rather depend on service providers such as Deloitte or Capgemini. The price of operational support only makes sense or is efficient in instances with two or three FTEs. 

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

The solution often does not survive our shortlist round because it is very expensive when compared to other products. It is only appropriate or selected for very specific use cases and types of companies. 

In some cases, the solution is ten to twenty-five times more expensive than competitors like Dynamics because it requires licensing, cloud environment costs, and contracts for maintenance and support. 

Which other solutions did I evaluate?

Our company recommends various ERP systems depending on use case and customer environment. We have worked with Dynamics 365, NetSuite, Unit4, N4, Baan, and Vision. We work on transformation trajectories for customers who use ERP systems and want to replace, upgrade, or do a greenfield approach.

The solution is a good fit for use cases where customizations are required on top to cover sector-specific business needs, as opposed to custom greenfield implementations of Dynamics 365 with much custom development. The solution reduces the amount of customization that needs to be implemented.

Use cases for domains with no vertical solution built on top are not a good fit for the solution. 

The solution is complex to learn and user acceptance of NetSuite is ten times faster.

What other advice do I have?

It is difficult to rate the solution. For some customers, it is a seven and for others it is a one out of ten. It really depends on the sector and fit gap between needs and business processes. 

There are many cases or exceptions where the solution is not a good fit, so I rate it a four out of ten overall. 

Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

Hybrid Cloud

If public cloud, private cloud, or hybrid cloud, which cloud provider do you use?

Other
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Customer Manager at a tech services company with 201-500 employees
Reseller
Scales well, reliable, and accurate
Pros and Cons
  • "The most valuable feature of SAP S/4HANA is the innovational process. We are able to receive more efficiency or accuracy than previous versions."
  • "SAP S/4HANA could improve by making the interface easier to use."

What is our primary use case?

I do pre-sales, or sell the SAP solutions to the customer. I need to know the requirements and match the SAP solution. I am not an expert on SAP HANA or SAP S/4HANA

What is most valuable?

The most valuable feature of SAP S/4HANA is the innovational process. We are able to receive more efficiency or accuracy than previous versions.

What needs improvement?

SAP S/4HANA could improve by making the interface easier to use.

For how long have I used the solution?

I have been using SAP S/4HANA for approximately eight years.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

SAP S/4HANA is a stable solution.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

The scalability of SAP S/4HANA is good. Thousands of people can use this solution at one time.

We have many clients that use or plan to use this solution. We have global clients across the world in multiple countries. They need to focus on their central finance, reporting, and rules of governance.

What other advice do I have?

I rate SAP S/4HANA a nine out of ten.

Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

On-premises
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SAP Technology Manager at a financial services firm with 5,001-10,000 employees
Real User
Smooth and seamless product with flexible licensing models
Pros and Cons
  • "It is more or less a very, very smooth and seamless product. Day by day they are increasing their technology features and they are keen to resolve the issues. India has a complex business scenario and SAP is thinking about that and resolving the issues day by day."
  • "If I can highlight one point that could be improved, when we talk about other ERPs, like Oracle, nowadays these ERPs provide free integration with other ERPs. For example, there is an API for banks integrated into every tool and every product form requires that bank integration in order to give real time data into the ERP. But SAP is charging a lot for that particular bank integration scenario and I think it should be free because other ERPs are providing this feature built in to the ERP. People always ask us about the integration and how much it will cost to go with that solution, so people are thinking about this."

What is our primary use case?

We are implementing SAP S/4HANA for our customers.

We are dealing with firms who are into manufacturing, retail, and pharmaceutical.

Nowadays, people are choosing the cloud solution only, and are probably going with AWS or Azure. It varies from case to case.

What is most valuable?

In terms of the features I have found most valuable, I don't think that there is any lack or any gap process-wise. SAP is a very good tool.

What needs improvement?

If I can highlight one point that could be improved, when we talk about other ERPs, like Oracle, nowadays these ERPs provide free integration with other ERPs. For example, there is an API for banks integrated into every tool and every product form requires that bank integration in order to give real time data into the ERP. But SAP is charging a lot for that particular bank integration scenario and I think it should be free because other ERPs are providing this feature built in to the ERP. People always ask us about the integration and how much it will cost to go with that solution, so people are thinking about this.

For how long have I used the solution?

I have been working with SAP S/4HANA for more than four years.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

SAP S/4HANA is stable. It is more or less a very, very smooth and seamless product. Day by day they are increasing their technology features and they are keen to resolve the issues. India has a complex business scenario and SAP is thinking about that and resolving the issues day by day.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

SAP S/4HANA is scalable, but it is scalable for those who have money. In terms of  boutique firms, nowadays they are also thinking about how to move themselves into big ERPs. But because of the cost, most of the boutique firms are choosing Microsoft Dynamics. Because of the price, SAP is not likely the highest product to be chosen, and I think SAP should think about that because if they want to benefit their customers or to increase the size of their customer base, they have to think about pricing as well.

If somebody is asking for the two module support, it is only going to require up to two main servers, but if they are saying that we are providing you proper support and proper IT for the project then it is going to be up to four people. In India or in any country, people are pressing to do the freelance thing. The answer to this question depends on the scalability.

How are customer service and support?

Customer support is good. It's very nice. There are no more issues with that. When I post SAP tickets that I mark as high priority they always ask why is it high? It should be high, medium or low. From their perspective, these tickets should be  medium or low because high priority should be replied within 24 hours. If I raise any complaint in SAP as a very high priority it should be resolved within 24 hours.

They always come up with this complaint. I faced this issue in my last project. If it is a critical thing from my business side then I need to put that remark as a very high priority. I don't know why they always question that high priority. We always want to deliver the things on a timeline. That's why we put that kind of a remark when we raise any ticket to SAP.

How was the initial setup?

The initial setup is straightforward. I am using SAP for more than six years, meaning SAP ERP, not SAP S/4HANA. So it is straightforward for me. But for those who are boutique and are now going from a small ERP to a bigger ERP like SAP or another one, for them the initial setup is complex.

The implementation will take six months. It covers every process and integration for the standard part. The time depends upon if they want to integrate more tools and more processes, then it could be up to nine months. If they want a vanilla system to be implemented it is going take six months, a standard which every ERP takes if I compare with Oracle. I am not talking about any other ERP, like a homegrown ERP.

There are three phases if somebody is going to implement the SAP. There is a pre-implementation part, there is the ongoing implementation, and then there is the post implementation part where we include the support, as well. We are also doing the quality review, but it is the same as if I'm doing the implementation and we want a particular person for a particular module. Let's take the example if somebody is implementing four or five modules in SAP - for every module we require a senior guy and a junior guy so that he or she can deliver the things on a timely basis. Because it requires teamwork, the integration of every module requires up to around 10 people for any implementation, including the project manager.

I am talking only about the implementation part. Project support or the pre-implementation part is a different thing.

What about the implementation team?

In our company we have our own team for SAP implementation because we are a partner with SAP. We do hire outside people, but not from SAP. We are hiring the manpower from a third-party. If the project size is very large and we need to cover things in a short period, we prefer to hire other resources so that we can finish according to the timeline which is important for every product platform. That's why if we do the things according to the timeline they give us good feedback and the word of mouth comes into the picture and they share it with other people who then reach out to us.

What was our ROI?

Regarding ROI, in India there are more startup firms and ROI is only an issue for people going for SAP to get funding because it's a very good tool and more business tycoons are looking for those companies who are using SAP. So in my experience, if somebody is using SAP there are more chances for ROI.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

SAP licenses are more costly than others. But now SAP provides flexible models for licenses for users who are in a higher position or only have to give approval or check things.

What other advice do I have?

On a scale of one to ten, for me SAP S/4HANA is an eight.

Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

Public Cloud
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A next-generation in-memory database solution with a useful feature called Fiori
Pros and Cons
  • "I like the user experience and usability of SAP Fiori, which is one of the main features that we are using."
  • "The initial setup could be better. They can make the process a little easier. The functions that we require will be available in the next release. We specifically need a new model, and I think we have some versions to implement. I already read on the SAP website that some functionalities we are waiting for are available in this new version."

What is our primary use case?

We use SAP S4HANA for our main backup processes. Most of the backups processes if for sales, supply, accounting, and financial. 

What is most valuable?

I like the user experience and usability of SAP Fiori, which is one of the main features that we are using.

What needs improvement?

The initial setup could be better. They can make the process a little easier. The functions that we require will be available in the next release. We specifically need a new model, and I think we have some versions to implement. I already read on the SAP website that some functionalities we are waiting for are available in this new version.

For how long have I used the solution?

We have been using SAP S4HANA for just six months. We just converted the ECC to S/4.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

SAP S4HANA is a stable solution.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

SAP S4HANA is scalable, and we're running this solution at some banks we have here. It's easy to scale, but it takes a couple of months to do it.

How are customer service and technical support?

Technical support is good. it's very nice because we have both local support and international support on their website. I think it's good.

How was the initial setup?

The initial setup isn't easy because it takes six months to deploy the project. I think we also discussed it for almost a year before implementing it. 

What other advice do I have?

I would advise potential users to plan extensively before they start. It's very important.

On a scale from one to ten, I would give SAP S4HANA a nine.

Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

On-premises
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Head of Procurement at a retailer with 501-1,000 employees
Real User
Top 20
Integrates with other tools, is better than previous SAP iterations, and is reliable
Pros and Cons
  • "It's reliable and the performance is good."
  • "Starting out on the solution can be a bit complex and difficult."

What is our primary use case?

This product is the ERP. I'm on the procurement side. Therefore, I leverage it for purchase orders and finance and have all the processes together.

What is most valuable?

It is better than the previous SAP solution.

It's stable. 

You can integrate it with other tools. 

What needs improvement?

I cannot recall coming across any areas that were lacking. 

Starting out on the solution can be a bit complex and difficult. I'd like to see them simplify the process of integration. It's very complex, even with the new solutions within SAP.

For how long have I used the solution?

I started using the product two years ago.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

It's a stable product. There are no bugs or glitches. It doesn't crash or freeze. It's reliable and the performance is good. 

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

We have 23,000 people using the solution. 

I'm on the user side. I'm not on the IT side. I don't have insights on scalability.

How are customer service and support?

I've never contacted technical support. I can't speak to how helpful or responsive they are. 

How was the initial setup?

I can't speak to the initial setup process as I was not a part of the team that handled that.

What about the implementation team?

I wasn't a part of the implementation and am unsure if any outside parties were used or if everything was handled in-house. 

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

I'm not responsible for the licensing arrangements. I can't speak to the exact cost. 

What other advice do I have?

We're an SAP partner.

I'm not sure which version of the product we are on at this time. I'm not IT. I'm on the procurement side.

I'd advise new users to try to set up everything that is related to your processes and set up integration with SAP assistance tools, such as Ariba. Otherwise, in the beginning, it's very complex.

I'd rate the solution nine out of ten.

Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

Public Cloud
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Digital Transformation Director at a tech services company with 201-500 employees
Real User
Stable, scalable, knowledgeable customer support
Pros and Cons
  • "SAP S4HANA version 1909 is stable. We have not gone live with 2020 yet."
  • "The solution could improve by making customization easier. The on-premise version is a lot more flexible."

What is our primary use case?

We use SAP S4HANA in a distribution business. We have the main site which purchases all material for management and then it goes through the main warehouses to the distribution sites. Finance controls, sales, and distribution are already there with the treasury added on top of the project.

What needs improvement?

The solution could improve by making customization easier. The on-premise version is a lot more flexible.

For how long have I used the solution?

I have been using SAP S4HANA for approximately two years.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

SAP S4HANA version 1909 is stable. We have not gone live with 2020 yet.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

SAP S4HANA is scalable in terms of infrastructure scaling. The solution does not cover all aspects of the business. For example, there is no final solution from SAP for point of sale. They have no specific point of sales solution, you have to build something to cover this area.

Our project is at a large company with 8,000 employees.

How are customer service and support?

We had an issue with localization, there is some sort of localization for S/4HANA for a specific country. We did not face a lot of trouble with the support. The response was good, but overall it seems the process itself takes too much time. You have to go through specific steps waiting for a reply and then the escalation takes more time. The support could improve their speed.

How was the initial setup?

The SAP cloud itself was not easy to implement any project because it is very hard to do any customization for the business requirements.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

SAP S4HANA is expensive and for smaller businesses, it is very difficult for them to have the budget.

What other advice do I have?

My advice to those wanting to implement SAP S4HANA is to make sure they have their blueprint and design. People have specific imaginations but things can turn out differently. Align very well with the business and identify your scope correctly to be sure you are following a solid plan along with the project lifecycle.

I rate SAP S4HANA an eight out of ten.

Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

Private Cloud
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