In terms of ROI, there's certainly a noticeable impact. The specific functions that DCS performs, especially in the context of South Africa and the prevalence of legacy systems, contribute significantly to the return on investment.

ROI is very difficult to explain. The quantification done by one of our colleagues was that we have already seen ROI based on independence. We have not reduced manpower, the number of servers has gone up, but the number of incidents has tricked down to single digits. We now know what is happening and what is going wrong.