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Practice Manager - Cloud, Automation & DevOps at a tech services company with 501-1,000 employees
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This is the first time I have witnessed 400,000 IOPS in any kind of enterprise lab.
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it_user213546Works with 1,001-5,000 employees
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Rene,
Great review did you alter any of the hosts setting IE round robin and queue depth. This will help bring down the latency times dramatically.

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Solutions Architect with 51-200 employees
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NetApp vs. XtremIO vs. HDS

Flash and Hybrid block arrays

Flash has changed storage forever and almost every new array purchase needs to have some degree of flash included, so the market now offers three distinct types of array:

  • Hybrid - Exploits the performance of flash and the lower cost of HDDs
  • All-Flash hybrid - Packaged to deliver a low cost per GB of flash
  • Ground-up design - Purely designed for flash with no support for HDDs

As always there is a huge range of price points, due to the architecture, features and performance scaling, for these arrays. Efficiency features are critical in some use cases (i.e. VDI), but less so in many others and performance scaling for the majority of solutions is substantially higher than legacy arrays built just for HDDs.

Historically array performance scaling was limited to the number of HDDs that it could support (i.e. the drives were the bottleneck), with Flash the drives are so fast the bottleneck moves to the controllers. The result of this is that the entry-level arrays will not scale performance beyond 20-30 SSDs so it is very important to have an idea of your ultimate performance scaling requirements.

For most use cases today a hybrid array that has been optimised for flash is the best fit, but there are certainly workloads that need the capabilities of a ground-up all-flash design. As always your requirements and budget will dictate the best fit so let’s take a look at what EMC, HDS and NetApp have to offer:

EMC VNX EMC XTREMIO HDS HUS 100/VM NETAPP FAS NETAPP E/EF-SERIES
Type Hybrid/All-Flash Hybrid Ground-up Design Hybrid Hybrid/All-Flash Hybrid Hybrid/All-Flash Hybrid
Largest Flash Drive 800 GB eMLC 800 GB eMLC 400 GB eMLC
1.6 TB FMD (150)/3.2 TB FMD (VM)
1.6 TB eMLC 1.6 TB eMLC
Replacement of drives under maintenance when write limit reached No Yes No (SSD)
Yes (FMD)
Yes Yes
FC, FCoE & iSCSI Yes FC and iSCSI FC and iSCSI (100)
FC (VM)
Yes FC and iSCSI (E2700)
FC or iSCSI (E5500/EF550)
Writeable Snapshots Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Integrated Remote Replication Yes No Yes Yes Yes
De-duplication Optional (Post) Always On (Inline) No Optional (Post) No
Compression Optional (Post) Always On (Inline) No (Inline for FMDs) Optional (Inline or Post) No
Thin Provisioning Optional Always On Optional Optional Optional
Flash Caching of HDDs Yes N/A No Yes Reads (E-Series)
N/A (EF-Series)
Auto-Tiering (Up to 3 tiers) Yes N/A Yes No No (E-Series)
N/A (EF-Series)

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Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer: We are Partners with NetApp and EMC.
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A solution that offers high performance along with good stability and scalability
Pros and Cons
  • "The solution's most valuable feature is its high performance."
  • "The implementation isn't exactly complex, but the solution should have some enhancements in it to make the process more centralized."

What is our primary use case?

We primarily use the solution for custom development and customer case studies.

What is most valuable?

The solution's most valuable feature is its high performance.

What needs improvement?

The deployment of the solution could be simplified.

The solution should be integrated into the system by default and not separately.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

The solution is very stable.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

The solution is scalable for SMBs.

How are customer service and technical support?

Technical support is okay.

How was the initial setup?

The implementation isn't exactly complex, but the solution should have some enhancements in it to make the process more centralized.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

The pricing is okay. It tends to offer some of the best pricing, but I still think it could be better.

What other advice do I have?

We are using the on-premises deployment model.

My advice to those who plan on implementing the solution is to make sure you are doing accurate sizing. Don't just size for your current use only.

I would rate the solution nine out of ten.

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Solutions Architect at a financial services firm with 10,001+ employees
Real User
Moved and zoned our Prod Client facing Applications. Quicker response to the business and more efficiency.

What is most valuable?

Newer version V6 (XtremIO Data Protection XDP) increases performance with built-in data protection.

Improved density with ability to scale out to eight X-Bricks if necessary / more density on capacity.

In memory Space / Efficient Copies.

How has it helped my organization?

Moved and zoned our Prod Client facing Applications. Quicker response to the business and more efficiency.

Also assisted with large datasets, thus dramatically reducing our batch runs.

What needs improvement?

Newer HTML 5, no more JAVA required.

For how long have I used the solution?

Three years.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

In the very beginning, with the old version 4, we had issues around Snap and clones.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

Yes , I do recall we had an issue with a version of code on XtremeIO before we could Scale.

How are customer service and technical support?

Seven out of 10.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We are using HDS and EMC.

How was the initial setup?

I was not involved with setup.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

I was not involved.

Which other solutions did I evaluate?

HDS, IBM and Pure storage.

What other advice do I have?

A proof of concept will provide the best results for determining what solution you should go for.

Disclosure: I am a real user, and this review is based on my own experience and opinions.
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it_user651834 - PeerSpot reviewer
Technology Solutions Director, Converged Infrastructure at a tech services company with 51-200 employees
Consultant
It can run workloads with little design consideration.
Pros and Cons
  • "XtremIO’s capability to run any workload without much in the way of design considerations makes this very easy to use and size."
  • "Right now, external appliances are needed to replicate XtremIO to XtremIO, or to another EMC system."

How has it helped my organization?

The fact that we can put up to five times more data on the XtremIO X-Brick prevents us from having to buy large amounts of disks.

This enclosure occupies six rack units of space, which means we aren’t paying a lot of money for rack space in our co-location facility.

What is most valuable?

XtremIO’s capability to run any workload without much in the way of design considerations makes this very easy to use and size. The configuration of the product is simple, as is creating and presenting volumes.

The snapshot capabilities, that hardly consume any disk space, are also impressive.

What needs improvement?

If Dell/EMC were to add native replication to the XtremIO, that would be a great improvement.

Right now, external appliances are needed to replicate XtremIO to XtremIO, or to another EMC system.

Having built-in replication will cut the cost of data recovery solutions by removing the expensive appliances and the software required to make the data flow between the two sites.

Until the release of XtremIO X2 this summer, there is currently no “built-in” replication capabilities between XtremIO appliances. This is a feature that some competitors have that XtremIO Gen 1 does not.

In order to replicate block data from XtremIO to XtremIO, or XtremIO to another EMC product, a customer must purchase RecoverPoint appliances and licenses.

To replicate virtual machines, you can either buy RecoverPoint appliances and licenses, vSphere replication and licenses, Zerto, Veeam, or another product.

Buying these add-ons increases the cost of maintaining redundant copies of XtremIO data.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

We have not encountered any stability issues.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

We have consumed ~756GB of disk on a 2-brick cluster and have much more than the physical capacity of the system provisioned. There have been no problems with scalability at all.

How are customer service and technical support?

I would give technical support the highest rating. Dell/EMC appears to have employed the team that developed XtremIO. Deep product questions or operational questions make it to them.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We were using VNX. The compression and deduplication numbers, as well as the level of effort needed to build RAID groups on this storage processor array to support workloads, caused us to consider XtremIO.

How was the initial setup?

The initial setup was totally as expected.

What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

This is the best flash array on the market for high-end workloads, so expect to pay for that. But the support subscription cost is fixed for seven years, which made it easier for us to plan on the maintenance costs.

Which other solutions did I evaluate?

We did not evaluate other options.

What other advice do I have?

If you have the workloads that require the performance that XtremIO provides, without having to consider what workloads you are throwing at this array, then this solution is for you.

Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer: We are a Titanium Partner with Dell | EMC.
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XtremIO, XtremSW and XtremSF EMC flash SSD portfolio redefined

EMC (@EMCflash) today announced some new, enhanced, renamed and a rebrand flash solid-state device (SSD) storage portfolio around theme of XtremIO. XtremIO was the startup company with a new all flash SSD storage array that EMC announced they were buying in May 2012.

Since that announcement, Project “X” has been used when referring to the product now known as XtremIO (e.g. all flash new storage array).

Synopsis of announcement

- Product rollout and selective availability of the new all flash SSD array XtremIO
- Rename server-side PCIe ssd flash cards from VFCache to XtremSF
- New XtremSF models including enhanced multi-level cell (eMLC) with larger capacities
- Rename VFCache caching software to XtremSW (enables cache mode vs. target mode)

What was previously announced:

-Buying the company XtremeIO
-Productizing the new all flash array as part of Project “X”
-It would formally announce the new product in 2013 (which is now)
- VFCache and later enhancements during 2012.

Overall, I give an Atta boy and Atta girl to the EMC crew for a Product Defined Announcement (PDA) extending their flash portfolio to complement their different customers and prospects various environment needs. Now let us sit back and watch EMC, NetApp and others step up their flash dance moves to see who will out flash the others in the eXtreme flash games, including software defined storage, software defined data centers, software defined flash, and software defined cache.

Some updates:

http://storageioblog.com/emc-announces-xtremio-general-availability-part/

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it_user566907 - PeerSpot reviewer
IT Analyst at a tech services company with 10,001+ employees
Real User
Flash array with deduplication and compression. I would like to see improvements in the database workloads.

What is most valuable?

Flash array with deduplication and compression.

How has it helped my organization?

  • Helps VDI users for business growth
  • Provides good performance
  • Cost effective
  • For the VDI environment, deduplication is effective. The OS deployed will have the same data again.
  • Flash provides good performance

What needs improvement?

I would like to see improvements in the database workloads. During the testing of database workloads, we found it slow to process I/O requests. This may be due to the compression/deduplication feature available in the product which is still being taken care of by the same controllers.

The product designer should provide a recommendation for which type of workload deduplication/compression will be effective.

This is good to have for VDI, but not for high database workloads though its flash array.

For how long have I used the solution?

We have been using this solution for the past two years.

What do I think about the stability of the solution?

There were some stability issues initially, but there aren’t many issues now.

What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

I did not encounter any issues with scalability.

How are customer service and technical support?

Technical support is good.

Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

We had multiple tier storage without deduplication/compression. We switched due to cost and performance.

How was the initial setup?

The solution is easy to implement and administer.

What other advice do I have?

This solution is good for VDI environments, but not recommended for database workloads.

Disclosure: My company has a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer: We are partners.
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XtremIO Gen2 delivers. There's potential for improvement, efficiencies, and even hybrid considerations.

Several months ago I walked through some of the issues we faced when XtremIO hit the floor and found it not to be exactly what the marketing collateral might present. While the product was very much a 1.0 (in spite of its Gen2 name), EMC Support gave a full-court-press response to the issues, and our account team delivered on additional product. Now it’s 100% production and we live/die by its field performance. So how’s it doing?

For an organized rundown, I’ll hit the high points of Justin Warren’s Storage Field Day 5 (SFD5) review and append a few of my own notes.

  • Scale-Out vs. Scale-Up: The Impact of Sharing
  • Compression: Needed & Coming
  • Snapshots & Replication
  • XtremIO > Alternatives? It Depends

Scale-Out vs. Scale-Up: The Impact of Sharing

True to Justin’s review, XtremIO practically scales up. Anything else is disruptive. EMC Support does their best to make up for this situation by readily offering swing hardware, but it’s still an impact. Storage vMotion works for us, but I’m sure spare hardware isn’t the panacea for everyone, especially those with physical servers.

The impact of sharing is key as well. XtremIO sharing everything can mean more than just the good stuff. In April, ours “shared” a panic over the InfiniBand connection when EMC replaced a storage controller to address one bad FC port. I believe they’ve fixed that issue (or widely publicized to their staff how not to swap an SC in a way that leads to panic, until code can protect), but it was production-down for us. Thankfully we were only one foot in, so our key systems kept going on other storage. We’ve seemed to find the InfiniBand exceptions, so I do not think this is a cause for widespread worry. ‘Just stating the facts.

I could elaborate further, but choosing XtremIO means being prepared to swing your data for disruptive activities. If you expect the need to expand, plan for that–rack space, power, connections, etc for the swing hardware, or whatever other method you choose.

Compression: Needed & Coming

This was the deficit that led to us needing four times the XtremIO capacity to meet our Pure POC’s abilities. At the time, we thought Pure achieved a “deduplication” ratio of 4.5 to 1 and were sorely disappointed when XtremIO didn’t. Then we realized it was data “reduction”, which incorporated compression and deduplication. Pure’s dedupe is likely still more efficient since it uses variable block sizes (like EMC Avamar), but variable takes time and post-processing.

When compression comes in the XIOS 3.0 release later this year, I hope to see our data reduction ratio converge with what we saw on Pure. As it stands, we fluctuate around 1.4 to 1 deduplication (which feels like the wrong word–dedupe seems to imply a minimum of 2:1). I choose to ignore the “Overall Efficiency” ratio at the top, as it is a combination of dedupe and thin provisioning savings, the latter of which nearly everyone has. We’ve thin provisioned for nearly 6 years with our outgoing 3PAR, so that wasn’t a selling point; it was an assumption. As a last note on this, Pure Storage asks the pertinent question: “The new release will come with an upgrade to compression for current customers. Can I enable it non-disruptively, or do I have to migrate all my data off and start over?”

Snapshots & Replication

I won’t say much on these items, because we haven’t historically used the first, and other factors have hindered the second. Given that our first EMC CX300 array even had snapshots, the feature arrival in 2.4 was more of an announcement that XtremIO had fully shown up to the starting line of the SAN race (it was competing extremely well in other areas, but was hard to understand the lag here). We may actually use this feature with Veeam’s Backup & Replication product as it offers the ability to do array-level snapshots and transfer them to a backup proxy for offloaded processing.

As for replication, my colleagues and I see it as feature with huge differentiating potential, at least where deduplication ratios are high. VDI or more clone-based deployments with 5:1, 7:1, or even higher ratios could benefit greatly if only unique data blocks were shipped to partnering array(s). For now, VPLEX is that answer (sans the dedupe).

XtremIO > Alternatives? It Depends

As I mentioned in the past, we started this flash journey with a Pure Storage POC. It wasn’t without challenges, or I probably wouldn’t be writing about XtremIO now, but those issues weren’t necessarily as objectively bad or unique to them as I felt at the time. Everyone has caveats and weaknesses. In our case, Pure’s issues with handling large block I/O gave us pause and cause to listen to EMC’s XtremIO claims.

Those claims fleshed out in some ways, but not in others (at least not without more hardware). Both products can make the I/O meters scream with numbers unlikely to be found in daily production, though it’s nice to see the potential. The rubber meets the road when your data is on their box and you see what it does as a result. No assessment tool can tell you that; only field experience can.

If unwavering low-latency metrics are the goal, XtremIO wins the prize. It doesn’t compromise or slow up for anything–the data flies in and out regardless of block size or volume. Is no-compromise ideal? It depends.

Deduplication is the magic sauce that turned us on to Pure, and XtremIO marketing said, “we can do that, too!” Without compromising speed, though, and without post-processing, the result isn’t the same. That’s the point of the compression mentioned earlier.

Then there’s availability arguments. Pure doesn’t have any backup batteries (but stores to NVRAM in flight, so that’s not a deal-breaker), which EMC can point out. EMC uses 23+2 RAID/parity, which Pure is quick to highlight as a weakness. Everyone wants to be able to fail four drives and keep flying, right?

From what I’ve heard, Hitachi will take an entirely different angle

and argue that magic is unnecessary. Just use their 1.6TB and 3.2TB flash drives and swim in the ocean of space. Personally, I think that’s short-sighted, but they’re welcome to that opinion.

Last Thoughts

In production, day to day, notwithstanding our noted glitches, XtremIO delivers. Furthermore, it has the heft of EMC behind it, and the vibe I get is that they don’t seem to be content with second place. Philosophies on sub-components may disagree between vendors, but nothing trips XtremIO’s performance. Is there potential for improvement, efficiencies (esp. data reduction), and even hybrid considerations (why not a little optional post-processing?)? Absolutely. And I’ve met the XtremIO engineers from Israel who aim to do just that. Time will tell.

This article originally appeared here.

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it_user252708EMC Product and Partner Development Manager with 51-200 employees
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Nice real use case, thank you!

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