Backup and Recovery Software Forum

Content Specialist
IT Central Station
Jun 15 2018
One of the most popular comparisons on IT Central Station is Cohesity vs Rubrik. People like you are trying to decide which one is best for their company. Can you help them out? Which of these two solutions would you recommend for Backup and Recovery Software? Why? Thanks for helping your peers make the best decision! --Rhea
Nathan MonkIf you do a head to head challenge with the two products capabilities, Rubrik will win out every time. Cohesity's UI is a little clunky and childish and Rurik's is simple, elegant and intuitive. Rubrik has amazingly simple scale-out and you will not beat the search functionality and time to recovery. On top of that, their support is beyond top notch. I evaluated both products before ultimately going with Rubrik and haven't looked back since! Compare customers and awards alone to give you an idea of how Rubrik is leading the way in Data Management both on premise and in the cloud. Happy to give more input if anyone needs it :) Trust me, you wont be disappointed choosing Rubrik.
Jon McFarlandWhen looking at both solutions, I originally had a leaning preference to Rubrik, but that quickly faded when looking at demos of both the solutions. Cohesity and Rubrik basically have the same feature sets and do the same in the backup realm. If you compare they both use Policy based backups, they both integrate very well into VMware, they both do near instant recoveries, they both use scale-out file system, they both have search capabilities, and many more capabilities. What ultimately lead us down to choosing Cohesity, was the sale team. Rubrik ignored us, sent us a full price sheet and never gave us the time of day. Cohesity setup meetings, helped size out our infrastructure (even if we didn't go with their solution), and their sales team was very laid back and not bombarding us with calls and e-mails about if we had decided yet. After learning more and more about Cohesity and Mohit Aron, it is a company I truly believe will continue changing not just the backup space for a long time, but the secondary storage space. Their technology and staff are the best in the industry and they help do anything needed. I believe Cohesity provides way more than Rubrik ever will, simply because they are focusing on the entire secondary storage landscape and not just backup. You can do analytics, test/dev, automated policy assignment, etc. While I cannot speak to the cloud functionality because we utilize two clusters with site to site replication, everything else just works. I'm not sure the accuracy of those utilizing Rubrik that are speaking for Cohesity's clunky interface, because the UI is painstakingly easy and intuitive. Rubrik may very well be the same, but look up videos of Demos and I would say the UI is not a reason to pick one over the other. The support from Cohesity is industry leading and I have been shocked from the first ticket submitted, when at 2AM you submit a ticket and get a response within minutes, they are quick, efficient, and even proactive in fixing problems you may not have even knew existed. They are constantly coming out with additional features and they truly listen to what the users actually want or need. I end with the contention that I would invest in Cohesity in a second, if they ever went Public and willingly will refer anyone and everyone I hear having a backup problem to Cohesity. Oh as a side note, Mohit seems to truly be a great leader, I've listened to a few of his interviews, and I believe the leaders of a company make or break it. Two shocking things that I think need to be more widely known. He refuses to have an office (wants to sit with his "troops") and he sets time every week to still code on the platform. ______________________________________________________________________ Answering the "View box" issue that Paul mentioned, is that Cohesity provides "View boxes" to be able to provide flexibility and security on the data you want to store. Taken from the Cohesity's site "A View Box is a logical division of a partition, that contains one or more filesystems. Each of these View Boxes encrypt data ‘stored’ by them using their own independent keys. This allows for robust data isolation. For example, if IT data and financial data are on different view boxes, a breach on the IT data will not automatically risk your financial data." Of course, if you want Global Dedupe and are not concerned about siloing off data then you can always just make one View Box that provides global dedupe (it is also dedupe's before replication).
Brian CritchlowWe chose Cohesity over Rubrik. The POC was very close, but our techs preferred the Cohesity UI and the ability to restore VMs to a standalone ESXi host, which Rubrik can only do via API.
Content Specialist
IT Central Station
Jun 03 2018
One of the most popular comparisons on our site is Commvault vs Veritas NetBackup.  One user says about Commvault, "[It is] A very stable and scalable platform (you can backup/restore/protect a couple of MBs or hundred of TBs as well from the same console/platform)." Another user says about Veritas Backup, " The product itself is very stable. Most issues with stability come from running too many parallel operations and the hardware itself can’t handle it." In your opinion, which is better and why? Thanks! --Rhea
it_user187182Frankly, we don't use any of above 2 software. We are using Veeam Backup, a rising star, as the mainline now.
Darshana WaghmareBoth solutions have their pros and cons. Commvault is much more simple to operate/Manage and yes we can manage different modules of Commvault backup (Server backup, endpoint backup, and restoration) from a single console as compared to Veritas. With Veritas comes stability and complexity. But it can manage bigger IT infrastructure in a very efficient way. Have various features like AIR, DPO, global deduplication, search option in À la carte as well as in bundle (NEVC) for physical and virtualization. We can mix various licenses in Netbackup like NEVC and agent for windows or NDMP for Physical, which is not available in Commvault.
Kyaw ThanWe are a NetBackup shop. I have followed Commvault as well in discussions with my peers who use Commvault. I am more knowledgeable about NetBackup than I am about Commvault. My very high level assessment would be that: - if backup / restore is your only concern, then both are equally capable and it may come down to which one is more suitable to your particular environment, or price negotiations. - my initial observations would appear to favor Commvault if you have a need for strong integration with storage and SAN architectures. Commvault appears to have many interfaces to different SAN and storage vendors. - Veritas NetBackup is now more than just backup / restore especially if you want to start managing or analyzing your data through NetBackup. You can purchase additional software from Veritas that can manage and analyze your data environment by leveraging the data and metadata information that NetBackup collects in its catalogs. If you intend to go down that path, then perhaps NetBackup might offer you options not (yet) available in Commvault. Beyond this cursory high level assessment, you would of course have to carry out a more detailed analysis to determine what you want. I have not touched upon backup appliances from these vendors for example. Regards, Kyaw
Content Specialist
IT Central Station
Apr 01 2018
On a scale from 1-10, how you rate Acronis Backup, and why? 
MD AlamAcronis backup is good for windows environments or we can say that individuals system because its work very good when we take the images to any system and restore the copy to some other work station. but this is not smart ways backup in big organisation because big organisation need disaster recovery backup like that Veeam or Net worker and Veritas. this Disaster Recovery software work for all the environment.
consultant architect oracle hyperion EPM at a tech services company with 51-200 employees
How does one restart a DPX agent under Linux?
IT Infrastructure Engineer at a tech services company
What would you recommend for monitoring IBM Spectrum, other than OC?
IT Operations Manager with 1,001-5,000 employees
Currently using R1Soft and have major issues.  We need the software to work with OVM, Linux, Windows, Sql server, Exchange, and Sharepoint.  We also need bare metal recovery functionality.
Martin MashIn my opinion, there should be no expense spared for protecting the companies data. I've used many solutions, and only one was open source. That was Bacula and I was only using it for Linux. Since there was no support, configuring took a lot of time and had to be manually maintained as to remove old backup data. It also created multiple backup files for a single server based upon backup data file size. My suggestion would be find a paid solution that will handle all of your needs. Things I would look for: 1. Reliability 2. Support 3. Redundancy 4. Data Deduplication 5. Capacity 6. Cost Only you can determine how important your data is and what the cost would be if you were unable to recover the data or the system.
John LoboCheck out Atempo Time Navigator. I have had R1Soft, BakBone, ArcServe and Symantec clients change to Atempo.
John LoboEmailed you the Product Presentation slides.. bit its in PDF. let me know if you need the Power Point version.
Technical Consultant at a tech services company
I am evaluating Parablue backup software as a backup solution. How easy and compatible is it with operating systems? Is anyone currently using this software? How does it compare to other backup software?
Officer with 1,001-5,000 employees
How can Acronis Backup be supported by ISO 27001 Compliance?Thanks and best regards, Carmine Pezzella
When I try to backup to Tape I get this error: Media family not found (mediaFamilyID:). I have found nothing on the web to fix this problem. I am using Veeam 9.5
I'm looking for a breakdown of the major differences between these Backup and Disaster Recovery Solutions: 1. Arcserve UDP 2. Acronis Backup 3. Veeam Backup  4. VMware vDPA
Kevin McDanielComparing the features of the four is not the right approach. You need to develop a list of requirements for backup and DR that are specific to your organization and then compare each of the four products to those requirements. All the products you have listed do very well in specific niche markets, all of them also have cons as well, without a clear understanding of what your requirements are a product comparison doesn't mean a great deal.
Pablo CastroThe field about Backup is very big , I am a partner from Acronis , and Acronis has many advantage ,over others tecnology , but in specifics skills , another Marks have theirs improvement skills too , you must specific about what ? Virtualization,storage,management,recovery virtual to physical ? is a lot information to say ..
Gregory WestI second Kevin's remark. It is almost impossible to compare various backup solutions without knowing your environment. Are you backing up exclusively Windows, Windows and Linux, do you have Novell, minicomputer and the list goes on. Why type of backup hardware are you using, WORM, Tape Drive, Tape Autochanger..... And I have not even touched the functions you want the backup to do.
User at a tech services company with 1,001-5,000 employees
We have multiple DC's with 3 different backup solutions (CommVault, EMC NetWorker, vRanger).  Which solution is best for backup/restore features and which is most cost effective?
Kunal DoshiThanks guys for the feedback. My personal view is to go with Commvault and use existing storage arrays as a backup store. I would be consolidating from Networker, Vranger to Commvault. Instead of array based deduplication would prefer backup software based deduplication which i believe should save some cost as compared to costly data domains. Any view on using commvault with netapp appliance?
Morenwyn Siobhan EllisYour question doesn't provide enough information to give you a qualified answer. You've essentially ask da question similar to "I have a parcel I want to wrap, and I have 3 lengths of string, which one should I use?". The answer, being, of course, it depends. So, we can narrow it down. 3 Data centres would suggest to me that you re not a small company and that you need an Enterprise grade product. That cuts out vRanger (And don't forget that Dell bought EMC, which now means that they own NetWorker, Avatar, Data Domain, and a whole bunch of products that they continually invent/acquire and do not integrate), and Dell are selling off Dell Software, which includes vRanger.... so where would you put your money? You probably have at least some virtualised environments. You don't say, or even which (VMware, HyperV, OpenStack?). If you have 3 data centres, you probably have some legacy physical infrastructure. Whilst it is sexy to concentrate on Virtualised, don't forget your physical systems. They're usually important. Do you have workloads in the public cloud and are you being pushed that way? Now, choices between NetWorker and Commvault. I can't believe that someone actually said DataDomain is a good backup solution. It isn't. It's part of a backup solution and is only being pushed by Dell EMC as a stand alone solution by integrating directly with applications (Such as Oracle) as a way to undermine other backup software. Always remember that when you select a data protection solution you have to remember a few critical items: 1) How much time do I have to get which data back? (RTO) 2) How much, of what type of, data can I loose? (RPO) 3) Can the business afford to meet those RTO/RPO's? (Usually not, so go tell them to be more realistic) 4) Can I prove my success at backup and restore? (This is the only time backup is important as you can't restore if you do not have a successful backup) So let's look at the products a bit. NetWorker. Been in the market place for many years. Started as a workgroup product and went enterprise. Used to be the darling of the industry and was OEM'd by many companies. It isn't now, but it still has significant market share (2nd place tie with IBM's TSM). The very fact that it has survived so long and has been able to change so much speaks volumes about its underlying architecture. However, EMC have struggled in the past with what to do with it, and this is shown by their fragmented approach to BUR. They have many products and they do not integrate them well at all. Also, NetWorker has lost its hardware independence. Sure, it can backup many OS' and environments and apps, but it really only has three destinations: 1) tape (Not really these days, but is still a long term destination) 2) Disk. They never completed advanced file type device development because of: 3) DataDomain. Superb dedupe device with vey tight integration. Market leader in the space, but there are others that just don't get to see the light of day. 4) Cloud: Just starting to introduce this, but do the economics really add up? What doe sit cost to get your data back? My issue is that the only real Backup device for NetWorker now is DataDomain and/or Cloud. You have to really look at the economics. NetWorker is very reasonably priced, especially with all of the functionality.... but you have to look at TCO. What is the cost of storing data. DD is NOT low cost at all... and nor is Cloud. Commvault. Again, architecturally very interesting. It has scaled well moving from SME into Enterprise. They are very good at marketing and grabbing mind share... but be careful, when they announce something it is often restrict dot a very defined set of parameters. They can be, shall we say, economical with the truth. I've tended to see environments under configured so they get the sale, and your re committed and costs spiral out of control afterwards. Now, that may be my local geography, not indicative of all parts of Commvault. For me, what is interesting about Commvault are: 1) Hardware independence. You're not tied to a specific data destination. Now, that doe mean lower performance with NetWorker/DD so you have to pump in more hardware... but with the commodity of hardware, that doesn't necessarily mean it is more expensive. 2) The integrated Archiving. The only real way to solve your Restore Issue is to need to restore less, which means that less should be on primary disk (Which is only there just in case someone wants to use it). However... can you really define an Archiving policy? It's hard to get a data management policy in place, which Archiving is part of. It's very hard. So, if you can't do it... this becomes a gimmick. It's kind of like the framework wars. They all promise a great deal, but the reality was no-one could ever take advantage of the functionality. 3) It is being OEM'd by a number of vendors. Now, generally, lower tier vendors, but still.... that's interesting!
Director of Operations at Armada Cloud
One of our clients was hit by the Locky (https://nakedsecurity.sophos.c...) strain of ransomware and had over 107,000 files scrambled and encrypted. Fortunately, since they've implemented a solid backup and recovery plan with us, we were able to get them up and running that afternoon without shelling out any bitcoins.  Have you been affected by this rash of ransomware? If so, what version were you hit by, and what did you do? Be safe out there! 
reviewer540687Interesting, can you provide more info on this scenario? Been seeing a lot of this kind of thing lately...
David Foster - Armada Cloud Sure, we have a blog post about this published on our site: http://www.armadacloud.com/guidance/ransomware-im-infected-now-what/

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