Backup and Recovery Software Forum

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IT Central Station
Mar 19 2018
One of the most popular comparisons on IT Central Station is Cohesity vs Rubrik. People like you are trying to decide which one is best for their company. Can you help them out? Which of these two solutions would you recommend for Backup and Recovery Software? Why? Thanks for helping your peers make the best decision! --Rhea
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Jon McFarlandWhen looking at both solutions, I originally had a leaning preference to Rubrik, but that quickly faded when looking at demos of both the solutions. Cohesity and Rubrik basically have the same feature sets and do the same in the backup realm. If you compare they both use Policy based backups, they both integrate very well into VMware, they both do near instant recoveries, they both use scale-out file system, they both have search capabilities, and many more capabilities. What ultimately lead us down to choosing Cohesity, was the sale team. Rubrik ignored us, sent us a full price sheet and never gave us the time of day. Cohesity setup meetings, helped size out our infrastructure (even if we didn't go with their solution), and their sales team was very laid back and not bombarding us with calls and e-mails about if we had decided yet. After learning more and more about Cohesity and Mohit Aron, it is a company I truly believe will continue changing not just the backup space for a long time, but the secondary storage space. Their technology and staff are the best in the industry and they help do anything needed. I believe Cohesity provides way more than Rubrik ever will, simply because they are focusing on the entire secondary storage landscape and not just backup. You can do analytics, test/dev, automated policy assignment, etc. While I cannot speak to the cloud functionality because we utilize two clusters with site to site replication, everything else just works. I'm not sure the accuracy of those utilizing Rubrik that are speaking for Cohesity's clunky interface, because the UI is painstakingly easy and intuitive. Rubrik may very well be the same, but look up videos of Demos and I would say the UI is not a reason to pick one over the other. The support from Cohesity is industry leading and I have been shocked from the first ticket submitted, when at 2AM you submit a ticket and get a response within minutes, they are quick, efficient, and even proactive in fixing problems you may not have even knew existed. They are constantly coming out with additional features and they truly listen to what the users actually want or need. I end with the contention that I would invest in Cohesity in a second, if they ever went Public and willingly will refer anyone and everyone I hear having a backup problem to Cohesity. Oh as a side note, Mohit seems to truly be a great leader, I've listened to a few of his interviews, and I believe the leaders of a company make or break it. Two shocking things that I think need to be more widely known. He refuses to have an office (wants to sit with his "troops") and he sets time every week to still code on the platform. ______________________________________________________________________ Answering the "View box" issue that Paul mentioned, is that Cohesity provides "View boxes" to be able to provide flexibility and security on the data you want to store. Taken from the Cohesity's site "A View Box is a logical division of a partition, that contains one or more filesystems. Each of these View Boxes encrypt data ‘stored’ by them using their own independent keys. This allows for robust data isolation. For example, if IT data and financial data are on different view boxes, a breach on the IT data will not automatically risk your financial data." Of course, if you want Global Dedupe and are not concerned about siloing off data then you can always just make one View Box that provides global dedupe (it is also dedupe's before replication).
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Nathan MonkIf you do a head to head challenge with the two products capabilities, Rubrik will win out every time. Cohesity's UI is a little clunky and childish and Rurik's is simple, elegant and intuitive. Rubrik has amazingly simple scale-out and you will not beat the search functionality and time to recovery. On top of that, their support is beyond top notch. I evaluated both products before ultimately going with Rubrik and haven't looked back since! Compare customers and awards alone to give you an idea of how Rubrik is leading the way in Data Management both on premise and in the cloud. Happy to give more input if anyone needs it :) Trust me, you wont be disappointed choosing Rubrik.
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leadtech771306We chose Cohesity over Rubrik Offered better flexibility can act as an SMB/NFS or object store, can use with existing backup software or with DataProtect. Data Protect licenses per TB so don’t need to license the full cluster if you don’t want to. Allows native Oracle RMAN to go direct to NFS without needing to use a software wrapper so DBAs are happy. Performance and ease of scalability are great. Software is simple. Options for virtual appliance for remote offices and cloud edition for azure/aws.
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consultant architect oracle hyperion EPM at a tech services company with 51-200 employees
Dec 06 2017
How does one restart a DPX agent under Linux?
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IT Infrastructure Engineer at a tech services company
Nov 30 2017
What would you recommend for monitoring IBM Spectrum, other than OC?
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IT Operations Manager with 1,001-5,000 employees
Oct 08 2017
Currently using R1Soft and have major issues.  We need the software to work with OVM, Linux, Windows, Sql server, Exchange, and Sharepoint.  We also need bare metal recovery functionality.
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Martin MashIn my opinion, there should be no expense spared for protecting the companies data. I've used many solutions, and only one was open source. That was Bacula and I was only using it for Linux. Since there was no support, configuring took a lot of time and had to be manually maintained as to remove old backup data. It also created multiple backup files for a single server based upon backup data file size. My suggestion would be find a paid solution that will handle all of your needs. Things I would look for: 1. Reliability 2. Support 3. Redundancy 4. Data Deduplication 5. Capacity 6. Cost Only you can determine how important your data is and what the cost would be if you were unable to recover the data or the system.
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John LoboCheck out Atempo Time Navigator. I have had R1Soft, BakBone, ArcServe and Symantec clients change to Atempo.
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John LoboEmailed you the Product Presentation slides.. bit its in PDF. let me know if you need the Power Point version.
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Technical Consultant at a tech services company
Oct 04 2017
I am evaluating Parablue backup software as a backup solution. How easy and compatible is it with operating systems? Is anyone currently using this software? How does it compare to other backup software?
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Officer with 1,001-5,000 employees
How can Acronis Backup be supported by ISO 27001 Compliance?Thanks and best regards, Carmine Pezzella
When I try to backup to Tape I get this error: Media family not found (mediaFamilyID:). I have found nothing on the web to fix this problem. I am using Veeam 9.5
I'm looking for a breakdown of the major differences between these Backup and Disaster Recovery Solutions: 1. Arcserve UDP 2. Acronis Backup 3. Veeam Backup  4. VMware vDPA
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Kevin McDanielComparing the features of the four is not the right approach. You need to develop a list of requirements for backup and DR that are specific to your organization and then compare each of the four products to those requirements. All the products you have listed do very well in specific niche markets, all of them also have cons as well, without a clear understanding of what your requirements are a product comparison doesn't mean a great deal.
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Pablo CastroThe field about Backup is very big , I am a partner from Acronis , and Acronis has many advantage ,over others tecnology , but in specifics skills , another Marks have theirs improvement skills too , you must specific about what ? Virtualization,storage,management,recovery virtual to physical ? is a lot information to say ..
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Gregory WestI second Kevin's remark. It is almost impossible to compare various backup solutions without knowing your environment. Are you backing up exclusively Windows, Windows and Linux, do you have Novell, minicomputer and the list goes on. Why type of backup hardware are you using, WORM, Tape Drive, Tape Autochanger..... And I have not even touched the functions you want the backup to do.
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User at a tech services company with 1,001-5,000 employees
We have multiple DC's with 3 different backup solutions (CommVault, EMC NetWorker, vRanger).  Which solution is best for backup/restore features and which is most cost effective?
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Kunal DoshiThanks guys for the feedback. My personal view is to go with Commvault and use existing storage arrays as a backup store. I would be consolidating from Networker, Vranger to Commvault. Instead of array based deduplication would prefer backup software based deduplication which i believe should save some cost as compared to costly data domains. Any view on using commvault with netapp appliance?
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Morenwyn Siobhan EllisYour question doesn't provide enough information to give you a qualified answer. You've essentially ask da question similar to "I have a parcel I want to wrap, and I have 3 lengths of string, which one should I use?". The answer, being, of course, it depends. So, we can narrow it down. 3 Data centres would suggest to me that you re not a small company and that you need an Enterprise grade product. That cuts out vRanger (And don't forget that Dell bought EMC, which now means that they own NetWorker, Avatar, Data Domain, and a whole bunch of products that they continually invent/acquire and do not integrate), and Dell are selling off Dell Software, which includes vRanger.... so where would you put your money? You probably have at least some virtualised environments. You don't say, or even which (VMware, HyperV, OpenStack?). If you have 3 data centres, you probably have some legacy physical infrastructure. Whilst it is sexy to concentrate on Virtualised, don't forget your physical systems. They're usually important. Do you have workloads in the public cloud and are you being pushed that way? Now, choices between NetWorker and Commvault. I can't believe that someone actually said DataDomain is a good backup solution. It isn't. It's part of a backup solution and is only being pushed by Dell EMC as a stand alone solution by integrating directly with applications (Such as Oracle) as a way to undermine other backup software. Always remember that when you select a data protection solution you have to remember a few critical items: 1) How much time do I have to get which data back? (RTO) 2) How much, of what type of, data can I loose? (RPO) 3) Can the business afford to meet those RTO/RPO's? (Usually not, so go tell them to be more realistic) 4) Can I prove my success at backup and restore? (This is the only time backup is important as you can't restore if you do not have a successful backup) So let's look at the products a bit. NetWorker. Been in the market place for many years. Started as a workgroup product and went enterprise. Used to be the darling of the industry and was OEM'd by many companies. It isn't now, but it still has significant market share (2nd place tie with IBM's TSM). The very fact that it has survived so long and has been able to change so much speaks volumes about its underlying architecture. However, EMC have struggled in the past with what to do with it, and this is shown by their fragmented approach to BUR. They have many products and they do not integrate them well at all. Also, NetWorker has lost its hardware independence. Sure, it can backup many OS' and environments and apps, but it really only has three destinations: 1) tape (Not really these days, but is still a long term destination) 2) Disk. They never completed advanced file type device development because of: 3) DataDomain. Superb dedupe device with vey tight integration. Market leader in the space, but there are others that just don't get to see the light of day. 4) Cloud: Just starting to introduce this, but do the economics really add up? What doe sit cost to get your data back? My issue is that the only real Backup device for NetWorker now is DataDomain and/or Cloud. You have to really look at the economics. NetWorker is very reasonably priced, especially with all of the functionality.... but you have to look at TCO. What is the cost of storing data. DD is NOT low cost at all... and nor is Cloud. Commvault. Again, architecturally very interesting. It has scaled well moving from SME into Enterprise. They are very good at marketing and grabbing mind share... but be careful, when they announce something it is often restrict dot a very defined set of parameters. They can be, shall we say, economical with the truth. I've tended to see environments under configured so they get the sale, and your re committed and costs spiral out of control afterwards. Now, that may be my local geography, not indicative of all parts of Commvault. For me, what is interesting about Commvault are: 1) Hardware independence. You're not tied to a specific data destination. Now, that doe mean lower performance with NetWorker/DD so you have to pump in more hardware... but with the commodity of hardware, that doesn't necessarily mean it is more expensive. 2) The integrated Archiving. The only real way to solve your Restore Issue is to need to restore less, which means that less should be on primary disk (Which is only there just in case someone wants to use it). However... can you really define an Archiving policy? It's hard to get a data management policy in place, which Archiving is part of. It's very hard. So, if you can't do it... this becomes a gimmick. It's kind of like the framework wars. They all promise a great deal, but the reality was no-one could ever take advantage of the functionality. 3) It is being OEM'd by a number of vendors. Now, generally, lower tier vendors, but still.... that's interesting!
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Director of Operations at Armada Cloud
One of our clients was hit by the Locky (https://nakedsecurity.sophos.c...) strain of ransomware and had over 107,000 files scrambled and encrypted. Fortunately, since they've implemented a solid backup and recovery plan with us, we were able to get them up and running that afternoon without shelling out any bitcoins.  Have you been affected by this rash of ransomware? If so, what version were you hit by, and what did you do? Be safe out there! 
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reviewer540687Interesting, can you provide more info on this scenario? Been seeing a lot of this kind of thing lately...
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David Foster - Armada Cloud Sure, we have a blog post about this published on our site:
I'm looking for expert advise as my company is considering several backup solutions:- Veeam- Dell AppAssure - ShadowProtectWe're in the final stage of making a decision. Could you please advise? [Pros, Cons, Other items to consider]
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Saif Ul IslamWell before deciding the backup solution for your environment, you have to provide below information about your environment, 1) you have physical or virtual or both types of servers? 2) what are the applications to be backed up? 3) what is your current backup media, i.e. tapes, storage or NAS? 4) What is your desired RTO/RPO? 5) What is the size of your data? 6) What is the growth rate of your data? 7) what sort of functionalities you need from backup? only then can i suggest you a solution suitable to your environment.
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Sami VentrigliaHello, full disclosure, my background is on the consultant side... I've only had experience working with Veeam and AppAssure (now called "Rapid Recovery" but we can still call it AA) on your list (I've worked with a few outside of them as well), but never with ShadowProtect. AppAssure - I am sure there are characteristics of an environment that make AppAssure a great fit for some; however, I worked with/around it at a few clients, none were 100% virtualized, I'd say it was closer to 70/30 (virt/phys) each on VMware. One had 3 sites, the other had I believe 9, I don't recall how many offices the 3rd had. Notably these customers were "Dell shops" and chose AppAssure mostly because it was another Dell product (against my recommendation). It was extremely problematic, inconsistent restores, Dell services (now sold to NTT) helped set it up so it was following all "best practices" and there were still consistent issues after a complex install. 2 of the 3 replaced it within 2 years of purchase/install. Veeam - I've worked with Veeam for nearly 7 years, when they were a small startup, early on they were not a great fit for multiple sites or "larger" environments, that resulted at that time in one unhappy customer. Since then the product has matured and I've worked with Veeam in many customers, some with more than 20 branch locations, multiple datacenters, cloud, tape, etc and the set-up in those environments are not easy, but it works and is consistent and reliable. The hold-back for a lot of customers had been that they do not support physical for those one or two servers left behind; however, they either just released or are about to release support for physical server backup. I'll also note that customers had positive support experiences in both presales and post sales. (PS- their price list is changing and is going up in May I believe, if you are on the fence, factor your timing into cost) I don't know the size of your environment, I would say scale is not an issue for either product, as I look at ShadowProtect, my initial opinion is that I would not "bet my business" on it. I also don't see anything about application consistent snapshots/backups from shadowprotect for anything besides Microsoft apps. So if you have any Oracle, Linux servers, or plan on implementing a hybrid-IT infrastructure in the coming years, it doesn't appear to have that flexibility. Again, this is just from some quick reading through their website. Personally, I would also consider all the volatility around Dell at the moment. They no longer have a pro-services division. And with EMC's Avamar being a more stable product, I would not be surprised to see an AppaSure sunset date in the coming year or two... so extended supportability may be a factor. Licensing on all seem to be pretty much the same... Veeam is per cpu, AppAssure is per agent (but has a capacity based license similar to CommVault). I would still centralize my license managment across windows, hypervisor and backup/DR tool within a software asset management tool like pyracloud or something. I believe Veeam can feed into your SIEM if you have one, not sure about AA. If you are a VMware shop their integration is extremely tight, a lot of the same language and workflows make learning curves shorter. Best of luck!
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Martin MashWithout knowing the configuration of the systems to be backed up, it would be difficult to give pros and cons to the different solutions. Virtual or Physical, how much data, what type of data, what type of storage are you backing up to, do you need this data replicated off site, etc.?

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